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Souls in Limbo & Morality in Ireland



I Have Learned So Much…


Dear Dr. Horvat,

It was an honor to meet you last night at my parish following the Feast of the Ascension Mass. I discovered your site in 2018-19, and have learned much through its articles, videos and books.

Thank you for bringing the treasure of our Catholic Church to those of us who are new to tradition (since 2020), and reminding us of its Truth, Beauty, Goodness even in darkest of times.

God bless you and the TIA staff.

     H.M.

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No Scientific Expertise Needed


Dear TIA, (from FaceBook)

May God bless our wonderful friends at TIA for having carried the burden of the story [of the Two Sister Lucys] for so many years when the Vatican itself and so many have continued to lie about the simple Fatima warnings.

It takes no scientific expertise at all to see that the face of the second Lucy is not the same as the face of the first real Sr. Lucy. And furthermore, the modernists never admit to their errors or what they have done to the Church now that a quarter billion people have left and very few are remaining and attending, or even believe in the True Presence.

TIA was the first to call out the fake Lucy number two and this has been a great grace for those of us hanging onto Tradition.

Today [May 13, Feast of Our Lady of Fatima] marks yet another anniversary where Rome will not admit to its falsehoods about the true faith and about Our Lady’s warnings, when it would have been and could have been so easy to just tell the truth instead.

     D.M.

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Novus Ordo Indifferentism

Dear TIA,

Indifferentism is now so firmly embedded in the Novus Ordo that the following syndicated Scripture Commentary from Fr. Tony Kadavil is considered acceptable by parish priests.

‘LIFE MESSAGE EASTER 1: We need to understand, appreciate, cooperate - May 12th 2024 SEVENTH SUNDAY OF GOSPEL : John 17: 11-19 “The denominations are a reality. There is no need in our blaming each other for the historical events which caused these divisions in Christ’s Body. What we can do is to learn sympathetically about the doctrinal similarities and differences to our own beliefs among Christian believers, to shed prejudices and suspicion about each other, and to learn to love each person we encounter.

2: We need to pray fervently in our own denominations and in interdenominational prayer gatherings that God may show us the right way to proceed in achieving true and lasting Christian unity without sacrificing the basic Christian principles and teachings. We should offer also our personal prayers that the unity for which Our Lord prayed may be brought nearer.’


A new low even by his abysmal standards.

     Yours in Jesus, Mary and Joseph.

     M.N.

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Souls in Limbo

TIA,

Should we pray for our children in Limbo?

H.H.
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TIA responds:

H. H.,

Although today Progressivism denies Limbo (here) along with Heaven, Hell and Purgatory (here, here, here and here), among the many heresies and errors it professes, the Church's traditional teaching on the Limbo of infants is expressed by St. Thomas Aquinas and many theologians. This teaching affirms that the Limbo of Infants is the place where the souls of children who die without receiving the Sacrament of Baptism go. In this place the infants are deprived of the Beatific Vision but free from suffering and sorrow, and enjoy a positive happiness in which the soul is united to God by a knowledge and love of Him proportionate to nature's capacity. For more on Limbo read here.

In The Liturgical Year (vol. VI, evening of Holy Saturday) Dom Guéranger says:

"It is not contrary to the principles of Faith to suppose, as several learned theologians have taught, that the visit of the Man-God to Limbo was a source of blessing and consolation to the abode of unregenerated children, and that they then received a promise that the time would come, when they should be united to their bodies, and, after the Day of Judgment, be placed in a happier land than that in which Divine Justice now holds them captives."

We were unable to find any clear writings on praying for the souls of the infants in Limbo. It does not seem to be necessary, since the common opinion is that they do not suffer and will remain there until the Day of Judgment, so they cannot be released with the help of prayer.

We are unaware whether or not they receive some natural help from Heaven and whether this help or natural grace allows them to have a participation in the Communion of Saints. In the case they do, perhaps they could in some way hear our prayers and help us here in the Church Militant. However, this last point needs more study, which takes time that right now we cannot spare.

     Cordially,

     TIA correspondence desk


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Morality in Ireland Then & Now

Dear TIA,

Ave Maria Purissima !

Until the late 1960s the Catholic Church in Ireland retained great power and influence, in particular in rural areas. Priests in rural parishes kept a close eye on their flock and any misbehavior would be discretely corrected, and if not, the culprit risked being named from the pulpit. If any misguided parents wished to keep a daughter with child at home, they would be firmly reminded of the scandal this would bring to the parish and they would do the right thing and send the errant girl away to the Sisters.

This changed however in the 1970s. The liberalization in the Church began after Vatican II and legislation was introduced by a liberal government to pay the unmarried mother a child allowance. This happened in 1973 and of course, was an incentive for parents to keep their sinful daughter at home, as she now had an income. For the daughter it was ideal also as she had live-in child minders and could continue on her wrong path.

This legislation also served to devalue legitimate children and the institution of marriage. The illegitimate child was now "equal" to the child born in wedlock. This was monstrous but that was the changing society in Ireland. Within a few years, the Magdalene Institutions began to close and, finally in 1996, the last of them did.

Thus, the deterrent value of these institutions was lost and the reparative value of so many sinful girls through their daily sacrifices was lost also. This left Ireland more open to the ravages of Satan. Immodesty and immorality increased accordingly. The authority of parents was diminished and this in turn, led to greater liberalism in our schools and in the Church itself.

At the beginning of the 20th century no one could have envisaged the Ireland of the late century. As the spirit of sacrifice was diluted, vocations declined and under the influence of liberal Reverend Mothers, Nuns began to dress rather as modest lay women. Some of them lost all sense of the dignity of their vocation and behaved in a most stupid fashion not at all in line with their position in society.

Welfare has its place in society. A hard working man can lose his job and be in serious financial difficulty through no fault of his own. At such times, it is good that the state can provide some benefits for a period of time to allow him get a new job. However, benefits should be curtailed and reserved for those who deserve them. They should not become a cover for laziness, and they should never reward wickedness as they have in the case of unmarried "mothers".

The unmarried "mother" did not bring her child into the world willingly. She had no motherly feelings when she performed the act that should be reserved for the marital bed. Hers was an act of lust, an act of pleasure seeking. There was no love whatsoever, or duty, involved.

The unmarried "mother" should never be accepted as a true mother. To do so devalues real motherhood and true maternal feelings. When we make such remarks, we are accused of being judgmental and rigid, and even un-Christian. However, Jesus never commanded us to ignore sin. Catholic societies must be governed by truth. This is true charity.

It is not charitable to ignore sin or pretend it has not happened. Sin must be confronted, the sinner must be punished, do penance, and then be forgiven. This was the beautiful charity I witnessed on a number of occasions in the laundry hand washing room. The sin was discovered, the punishment meted out, the forgiveness begged by the repentant child, and the forgiveness extended by her "Mother". I will never forget the caring manner in which the punishments were administered by the good Sisters. It was truly maternal.

The rule of course, forbade any words of comfort for the suffering child or any display of sympathy by her "Mother," but the "Mother's" heart was sorrowful just the same. Each evening the Sisters took the discipline and offered up their own suffering for the good of the children in their care. A practice which seems so unusual and even perverse today.

God help us in this world that has strayed so far from where we should be.

     God bless you,

     Yours sincerely,

     C.P., Ireland


Posted May 14, 2024

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