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Msgr. Pozzo: Fellay Is Working for Us
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I am sure you are aware of the recent statements of Archbishop. Guido Pozzo, Secretary of the Commission Ecclesia Dei, about the relations between the Vatican and the SSPX. (See the last comment at the bottom of the interview in French here; still not available in English)
Pozzo basically affirmed that the deal has already been made with SSPX. The Vatican is only waiting for Bishop Fellay to arrange an internal consensus for the formal merge with today’s Rome to take place.
Perhaps what you don’t know about is the reaction this news report is causing inside of the SSPX. I am sending you a selection, which I received from a credible source, from a discussion forum – CathInfo, run by grassroots of SSPX – to give you a sample of how the waters are getting hotter and hotter in the grassroots. BTW, although I am not an expert on these forums, it seems to me that some entries had been deleted after my friend copied them...
It is curious to see that what is causing these people a great shock now had been predicted by Mr. Guimarães three and half years ago in the short run (here) and twelve years ago in the long run (here). He said back then exactly what Msgr. Pozzo is saying today. If the SSPX grassroots would have read those articles more attentively, they would have had a better idea about their own leadership and could have saved themselves a lot of emotional stress.
Send my compliments to Mr. Guimarães for his clear insight.
Keep up the good work.
In Christ Jesus
E.J.
CathInfo, March 21, 2015
From the once-Catholic French newspaper, La Croix, 21/3/2015:
"We appreciate the information released by the General House of the Society of St. Pius X, which is very clear," says Monsignor Guido Pozzo (Secretary of Ecclesia Dei).
"Currently," adds Monsignor Guido Pozzo, the dialogue "continues" with the Society of St. Pius X. "Several meetings have been held and are planned with certain prelates to examine more deeply the problems that remain to be clarified, in a relationship of trust," says the secretary of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, for whom, aside from the remaining doctrinal difficulties, the problems are "internal to the Society."
"The Pope." says Pozzo, "is waiting for the SSPX to decide to enter (the Church), and we are always available, with a canonical project which is already known," namely the creation of a personal prelature. "We still need a little more time, he concludes, "for things to become clear internally (within the SSPX) and for Bishop Fellay to obtain a sufficiently broad consensus before performing this action.
This statement is crystal clear: The deal has been agreed to and is waiting for Bishop Fellay to manipulate the majority of the Society into following him into Conciliar Rome.
It is all in this short statement. All of the speculations answered. No wonder Menzingen came right out of the corner ready to dance to the Roman hora. Finish that seminary and the gate will close behind them. All of that money and all of the hopes for Tradition, on an express cruise to the Mediterranean.
And there you have it! The culmination of the Krah-Fellay Initiative.
Pardon my drama, but this is a bombshell!
...Bp. Fellay has artfully, including through his agents, convinced countless SSPX devotees that there is no deal pending, that nothing has changed in the SSPX, etc. and then Msgr. Pozzo publicly admits that indeed the plan is for +Fellay to get the SSPX on the same page, then he'll be back for a deal!
Matthew: "Pardon my drama, but this is a bombshell!"
We are betrayed from within, and Pozzo confirms it. He clearly reveals that doctrine is no longer an issue, only some structural problems within the Society.
Menzingen gave up defending Tradition and doctrine a long time ago after succumbing to prudential practicaria fever in 2012.
And you can bet that there are plenty of priests who know the score and yet remain silent.
Orinoco said:
"The Pope." says Pozzo, "is waiting for the SSPX...and for Bishop Fellay to obtain a sufficiently broad consensus, before performing this action."
That is exactly what we need to remember when we are talking about abandoning the SSPX. Think of who we are abandoning it to. If there were no resistance inside the SSPX, there would be no question that it would already have been swallowed up by the false Rome.
...I am an old trad from Archbishop Lefebvre's time. I consider myself a Lefebvrist, if there is such a thing, dyed in the wool. His position is mine and I love the SSPX as I love him. That "internal to the Society" problem that Msgr. Pozzo refers to, will not exist anymore if everyone who feels like I do leaves the Society at this time. As a Third Order member of the Society, I say no to the new Rome, no deal, no accepting the NO as legitimate, no new code of canon law, no new Sacraments and rites of exorcism, no hermeneutic of continuity! Every one of my daily Masses is a resistance Mass even though it is in a Society chapel. Archbishop Lefebvre was the founder of the resistance and after God and Our Lady, it is he that I beg to help us in this situation.
I don't share the "down with the SSPX!" mentality myself. I'm saddened by its current leadership and direction, and I don't hold much (human) hope for THOSE individuals -- but I realize that when the SSPX is fully regularized, it will be a great blow to Tradition. Some people forget this, and feign like they "don't care" -- like a child who's emotionally stinging from betrayal by his mother and/or father.
I'm not rooting for any kind of evil. Charity rejoices in the truth, not in destruction of something that was formerly good. The DEVIL is rejoicing as the Neo-SSPX falls apart. I certainly won't be. "Serves 'em right!" is not a Catholic attitude.
I'm running my Independent chapel (which doubles as a Resistance chapel), planning for the worst -- but in the meantime I'm staying charitable and friendly with my local SSPX chapel and priest, as well as availing myself of the Mass and sacraments that chapel provides -- for myself and my growing family. Though I'll admit, my chapel (and the priest there) is one of the good ones. Our priest hasn't done anything different, nor does he desire reconciliation with neo-modernist Rome.
Pilar said: Orinoco said:
..."That is exactly what we need to remember when we are talking about abandoning the SSPX. Think of who we are abandoning it to. If there had been no resistance inside the SSPX, there would be no question that it would already have been swallowed up by the false Rome."
I do appreciate your sentiments, however, We have not, and are not abandoning the Society to anyone.
The reality is that the Society has abandoned us, and has abandoned sound doctrine, and has abandoned true combat against the modernists...They will move on and leave folks who are unaccepting, such as yourself, behind, and they will not speak of you, or treat you kindly. The reality is that the Society that was, is, no longer what it was, and much too much has changed for it to return to its former self ...
There are too many priests who are of the new orientation. It would take a re-formation of each one, which is an impossible task.
The tide is ebbing in Menzingen. It will be soon, when we have to move, or be left stranded by the mutineers.
I will place the discussion at the doctrinal level:
“Do you agree with the great encyclicals of all the popes who preceded you? Do you agree with Quanta Cura of Pius IX, Immortale Dei and Libertas of Leo XIII, Pascendi Gregis of Pius X, Quas Primas of Pius XI, Humani Generis of Pius XII? Are you in full communion with these Popes and their teachings? Do you still accept the entire Anti-Modernist Oath? Are you in favor of the social reign of Our Lord Jesus Christ? If you do not accept the doctrine of your predecessors, it is useless to talk! As long as you do not accept the correction of the Council, in consideration of the doctrine of these Popes, your predecessors, no dialogue is possible. It is useless.” --- Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre